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		<title>By: Tun Sri</title>
		<link>http://www.bakrimusa.com/archives/spare-me-the-pak-and-tok#comment-27672</link>
		<dc:creator>Tun Sri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the only one holding the highest title in Malaysia, a " Tun Sri" . After that it is followed by Tun, Tan Sri, Tan, Dato Sri and lastly Dato. You see there are thousand of lucky China man whose are automatically bestowed with the fourth highest title at birth and it is hereditary. Please don't say they bought it.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the only one holding the highest title in Malaysia, a &#8221; Tun Sri&#8221; . After that it is followed by Tun, Tan Sri, Tan, Dato Sri and lastly Dato. You see there are thousand of lucky China man whose are automatically bestowed with the fourth highest title at birth and it is hereditary. Please don&#8217;t say they bought it.</p>
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		<title>By: Liinguist</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abang Bakri,


Apa kah abang bakri butuhkan saya lagi?? Kalau tidak adek nak pulang. 

I was told Confrontasi broke out between Malaysia and Indonesia  because Adam Malek said to our Foreign Minister that he "butuh isterinya" untuk menolong sebab hari dah malam. After that 'kemaluan' nya membesar bila di beri tahu yang mana isteri sedang menunggu di luar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abang Bakri,</p>
<p>Apa kah abang bakri butuhkan saya lagi?? Kalau tidak adek nak pulang. </p>
<p>I was told Confrontasi broke out between Malaysia and Indonesia  because Adam Malek said to our Foreign Minister that he &#8220;butuh isterinya&#8221; untuk menolong sebab hari dah malam. After that &#8216;kemaluan&#8217; nya membesar bila di beri tahu yang mana isteri sedang menunggu di luar.</p>
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		<title>By: Grass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't think we should let you go that easily Abdul Aziz.  What's your definition of a  "pure malay" .   Are you one pure breed?  

This is very interesting and we are all ears, learning by the day and awaiting your response.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t think we should let you go that easily Abdul Aziz.  What&#8217;s your definition of a  &#8220;pure malay&#8221; .   Are you one pure breed?  </p>
<p>This is very interesting and we are all ears, learning by the day and awaiting your response.</p>
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		<title>By: Anak Singa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anak Singa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 02:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning, Encik Bakri.

Years ago, my mother went to a shop in Arab Street. While she was walking in, a woman angrily walked out of the shop. Being the busybody that she was (and still is), she asked the salesman what happened. He said, "Dia marah saya panggil dia 'Kakak'. Mana lah saya tau dia 'Datin'?" The man wasn't at fault of course because in our tiny island, everyone is a Mister, Mdm or Miss. Or if you are a Malay, you're normally addressed as either pakcik, makcik, abang, kakak or adik. It's only polite to do so. So, IMHO, if you're titled and planning a visit here, perhaps it's best to leave the title (and your ego) at home. At least if you're brought down to earth, the fall wouldn't be so hard.

Btw I think it's 'membutuhkan' and not 'membutohkan'. Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning, Encik Bakri.</p>
<p>Years ago, my mother went to a shop in Arab Street. While she was walking in, a woman angrily walked out of the shop. Being the busybody that she was (and still is), she asked the salesman what happened. He said, &#8220;Dia marah saya panggil dia &#8216;Kakak&#8217;. Mana lah saya tau dia &#8216;Datin&#8217;?&#8221; The man wasn&#8217;t at fault of course because in our tiny island, everyone is a Mister, Mdm or Miss. Or if you are a Malay, you&#8217;re normally addressed as either pakcik, makcik, abang, kakak or adik. It&#8217;s only polite to do so. So, IMHO, if you&#8217;re titled and planning a visit here, perhaps it&#8217;s best to leave the title (and your ego) at home. At least if you&#8217;re brought down to earth, the fall wouldn&#8217;t be so hard.</p>
<p>Btw I think it&#8217;s &#8216;membutuhkan&#8217; and not &#8216;membutohkan&#8217;. Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: rejal</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sdr Bakri,
Though I have heard of your blog from a few of your acquaintances, this is the first time that I have actually gone into it courtesy of beritakmu. Discussions on the titles are interesting and lively. 
It should be noted that titles do get you places in Malaysia. I know this from experience.
The medals are not cheap. Even the miniatures can set you back a tidy sum if you need to replace one that is lost. Some are not just gold plated but gold inlaid. So imagine the budget for the medals in each state. I remember wanting to do a story on the costs way back in the 70s but was stopped from doing so by my editors then.
But the way the awards especially the datukships are being handed out by the states especially in the past couple of years is quite demeaning. (At least the Federal awards are more discretionary). 
Nowadays any Secretary General of a Ministry or Director General of a department, even their deputies seem to be conferred the datukship by one state or another almost immediately after being appointed to their posts unlike in the past. I know of a number of such retired gentlemen after being in government service for 30 years or more retiring as DGs are still plain enciks because they happen to retire some five or more years ago.
Even editors of newspapers nowadays get their datukship from various states almost immediately upon appointment unlike before when even those retiring after very long service are still plain enciks.
My two sen worth.
Thank you

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sdr Bakri,<br />
Though I have heard of your blog from a few of your acquaintances, this is the first time that I have actually gone into it courtesy of beritakmu. Discussions on the titles are interesting and lively.<br />
It should be noted that titles do get you places in Malaysia. I know this from experience.<br />
The medals are not cheap. Even the miniatures can set you back a tidy sum if you need to replace one that is lost. Some are not just gold plated but gold inlaid. So imagine the budget for the medals in each state. I remember wanting to do a story on the costs way back in the 70s but was stopped from doing so by my editors then.<br />
But the way the awards especially the datukships are being handed out by the states especially in the past couple of years is quite demeaning. (At least the Federal awards are more discretionary).<br />
Nowadays any Secretary General of a Ministry or Director General of a department, even their deputies seem to be conferred the datukship by one state or another almost immediately after being appointed to their posts unlike in the past. I know of a number of such retired gentlemen after being in government service for 30 years or more retiring as DGs are still plain enciks because they happen to retire some five or more years ago.<br />
Even editors of newspapers nowadays get their datukship from various states almost immediately upon appointment unlike before when even those retiring after very long service are still plain enciks.<br />
My two sen worth.<br />
Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Bakri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bakri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Linguist:

Thank you for clarifying the language usage.  Please tell me how I should address the taxi drivers and porters at the hotels when they help carry my bags?  I know how the locals address them,  "Hey!" "Awak"  are some of the more familiar but disprespectful terms.

As for the Indonesian usage, do not be upset if after your Indonesian brother expresses his embarassment of how big is his "kemaluan" (frankly I would not be embarassed, on the contrary I would be very proud, and happy!)  do not be shocked if he want to "membutohkan" something.

Yes, my Bahasa is of the era of the 1950s.  I am thankfully spared the  more modish fads like Bahasa Baku etc.   When I get back to the village however, I get into the swing of things right away, thanks to my 50s bahasa, with no inspirasi, persepsi, and other modenasasi crap.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Linguist:</p>
<p>Thank you for clarifying the language usage.  Please tell me how I should address the taxi drivers and porters at the hotels when they help carry my bags?  I know how the locals address them,  &#8220;Hey!&#8221; &#8220;Awak&#8221;  are some of the more familiar but disprespectful terms.</p>
<p>As for the Indonesian usage, do not be upset if after your Indonesian brother expresses his embarassment of how big is his &#8220;kemaluan&#8221; (frankly I would not be embarassed, on the contrary I would be very proud, and happy!)  do not be shocked if he want to &#8220;membutohkan&#8221; something.</p>
<p>Yes, my Bahasa is of the era of the 1950s.  I am thankfully spared the  more modish fads like Bahasa Baku etc.   When I get back to the village however, I get into the swing of things right away, thanks to my 50s bahasa, with no inspirasi, persepsi, and other modenasasi crap.</p>
<p>Sallam, Bakri</p>
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		<title>By: Jong</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I call my b/f 'ah beng'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call my b/f &#8216;ah beng&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Linguist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linguist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See you, brother! Do visit me in New York when you're free.</description>
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		<title>By: Linguist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linguist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abang Bakri,

Perhaps because of your years living in a foreign land, you have lost some of your understanding in the use of certain Malay words -  just like they have 'English usage' we have 'Malay usage' of words which cannot be explained by reference to grammar, spelling etc.

'Encik' translated does not quite mean 'Sir". 'Sir' when translated means 'Tuan'. I think your waiter was understandably puzzled and amused as to why you called him 'Encik'. He should be calling you 'Encik' instead, which means ‘Mister’.

Yes - as for 'Pak' or 'Ibu' the Indonesian use of these words has little or no connection to how old you are - but has everything to do with respect. It is their equivalent of 'Sir' or 'Encik' or Ma'am. In fact not using ‘Pak” or ‘Ibu’ when speaking formally is a mark of disrespect or lack of respect.

The word ‘abang’ in Indonesia is used in a somewhat  derogatory sense – depending  on your station in life. When speaking to a rickshaw puller an Indonesian uses ‘abang’ and hence the term ‘abang  beca’. Again that depends on which part of Indonesian you come from.

When a Malay wife addresses her husband, she uses ‘abang’. Needless to say it is a different ‘abang’ used between siblings. That does not mean it is only restricted to just the two situations. Your girlfriend may choose to call you 'abang' - which is again from the 'abang' used by your waiter or waitress.

You may want to note the next time you’re in Malaysia, that “Coffee,  brother?” in the United States has different connotations, if you will, than, “Coffee, abang?” in Malaysia.

As for our former PM Mahathir, those from his home town of Alor Setar who know him well, address him as Cek Det  – rather than Pak ‘Thir. In fact dinners  thrown in his honour were called “Malam Cek Det”.


Speaking of all things Indonesian, at one time during Confrontation with Indonesia, diplomacy almost gave way to a shooting war (it finally did though for other reasons) when an Indonesian Minister said to his counterpart, “Kemaluan saya sangat besar” meaning in Indonesian, that he was very ashamed (of something or of himself). 



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abang Bakri,</p>
<p>Perhaps because of your years living in a foreign land, you have lost some of your understanding in the use of certain Malay words -  just like they have &#8216;English usage&#8217; we have &#8216;Malay usage&#8217; of words which cannot be explained by reference to grammar, spelling etc.</p>
<p>&#8216;Encik&#8217; translated does not quite mean &#8216;Sir&#8221;. &#8216;Sir&#8217; when translated means &#8216;Tuan&#8217;. I think your waiter was understandably puzzled and amused as to why you called him &#8216;Encik&#8217;. He should be calling you &#8216;Encik&#8217; instead, which means ‘Mister’.</p>
<p>Yes - as for &#8216;Pak&#8217; or &#8216;Ibu&#8217; the Indonesian use of these words has little or no connection to how old you are - but has everything to do with respect. It is their equivalent of &#8216;Sir&#8217; or &#8216;Encik&#8217; or Ma&#8217;am. In fact not using ‘Pak” or ‘Ibu’ when speaking formally is a mark of disrespect or lack of respect.</p>
<p>The word ‘abang’ in Indonesia is used in a somewhat  derogatory sense – depending  on your station in life. When speaking to a rickshaw puller an Indonesian uses ‘abang’ and hence the term ‘abang  beca’. Again that depends on which part of Indonesian you come from.</p>
<p>When a Malay wife addresses her husband, she uses ‘abang’. Needless to say it is a different ‘abang’ used between siblings. That does not mean it is only restricted to just the two situations. Your girlfriend may choose to call you &#8216;abang&#8217; - which is again from the &#8216;abang&#8217; used by your waiter or waitress.</p>
<p>You may want to note the next time you’re in Malaysia, that “Coffee,  brother?” in the United States has different connotations, if you will, than, “Coffee, abang?” in Malaysia.</p>
<p>As for our former PM Mahathir, those from his home town of Alor Setar who know him well, address him as Cek Det  – rather than Pak ‘Thir. In fact dinners  thrown in his honour were called “Malam Cek Det”.</p>
<p>Speaking of all things Indonesian, at one time during Confrontation with Indonesia, diplomacy almost gave way to a shooting war (it finally did though for other reasons) when an Indonesian Minister said to his counterpart, “Kemaluan saya sangat besar” meaning in Indonesian, that he was very ashamed (of something or of himself).</p>
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		<title>By: P. Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>P. Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just stumbled across your website while looking for alternative news sources in Malaysia. Fancy that! Good arguments regarding ketuanan Melayu. I hope to see many more quality works in the future. :]

P.S: I think your sidebar breaks a little for Firefox viewers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just stumbled across your website while looking for alternative news sources in Malaysia. Fancy that! Good arguments regarding ketuanan Melayu. I hope to see many more quality works in the future. :]</p>
<p>P.S: I think your sidebar breaks a little for Firefox viewers.</p>
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