Interesting topic… I’m working in this industry myself and I don’t agree about this in 100%, but I added your page to my bookmarks and hope to see more interesting articles in the future

Interesting post. I came across this blog by accident, but it was a good accident. I have now bookmarked your blog for future use. Best wishes. Salma Hayek.

Interesting topic… I’m working in this industry myself and I don’t agree about this in 100%, but I added your page to my bookmarks and hope to see more interesting articles in the future

Interesting topic… I’m working in this industry myself and I don’t agree about this in 100%, but I added your page to my bookmarks and hope to see more interesting articles in the future

Jared’s Collapse book also has factual problems….. it will be too much to list them here… so I give you a link to another review… by an Australian who says that whatever little Jared has to say about Australia contains factual errors; and according to this reviewer, Jared’s factual errors have caused him to doubt the rest of the Collapse book…..

http://www.smh.com.au/news/Books/Collapse-How-Societies-Choose-to-Fail-or-Survive/2005/03/17/1110913718597.html

So the lessons are:

1) Beware of what we read….. don’t trust everything literally….do cross checking… yes.. read it several times… but more importantly… read other related materials…..

2) Beware of our biases and prejudices… sometimes due to deep-seated prejudices… our minds act like filters…. and then we may make an error of over emphasis…. which sometimes result in making inferences to conclusions which are never intended originally by the author.

I understand c53k’s misunderstanding of the Jared Diamond… and his strange connection of the issue of race and religion to Diamond’s book…..

This misunderstanding is quite understandable…….Especially in the sections with regard to the viking society which failed “in part because its embedded cultural and religious predilections did not make it amenable to adaptation and innovation within the context of the harsh arctic environment…..”

But I think c53k’s is reading too much into that part that (s)he is consumed by what I think is his/her attitude (or bias) against Malays, Islam and Arab or Arabisation…..

Jared Diamond main argument is about the environment and how societies must put environment first…. not about being against certain religions or being against certain ethnic types…….

That’s all folks….

Please read on:

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Fathol,

I agree with you… we should not be engaged in racial abuse…. no more racial bashing…. or racial denigrating (as practiced by c53k).

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I sometimes think…….

What does c53k means by the “doom march” ????

Just wandering what does c53k thinks about Jared Diamond….what did Jared Diamond say about the long decline of the old Chinese civilisation… versus the rise of Europe civilisation… this is from Jared’s Guns, Germs, and Steel book….

Or more appropriately what did Jared say (explicitly and implicitly) in his latest “Collapse” book about the impending collapse of China which he says will be due to environmental degradation?

Think about it……

And what is the connection between Jared’s main argument to the Malaysian situation?

Perhaps the right question to ask is where are the Malay intelligentsia and alternative elites that will lead the society into sustainable economic growth… and promote a kind of economic development that will enhance the environment instead of destroying it…

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Yes.. Malaysians…especially those who owns the big logging companies are contributing to environmental degradation

I wonder who owns the logging companies that has denuded much of Malaysia’s rain forest????

And lately…since not much forest in Malaysia anymore…. these tycoons are exporting their desctruction elsewhere……

Who are the owners of the Malaysian companies that are raping the rain forests in Papua New Guinea and the forests in the Pacific Islands……??????

These companies are contributing to the collapse of those societies!
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If people read Jared’s Collapse carefully… and try to apply it to Malaysia…. and to elsewhere….the more appropriate suggestion is to cut back on the present mode of growth…. and think of alternative economic arrangements that are environmentally sustainable…….

Only that will save Malaysian society which is comprised by Malays, Chinese and Indians by the “doom march” from reckless destruction of the environment

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Here is the review of Jared’s book…

http://www.newyorker.com/critics/books/?050103crbo_books

Now if I may ask again….why did the Greenland Vikings society collapse?

Interesting & sightful writing! There’re still clear mind but are they just the trace of the dying old guards?

Yes the present Malay generation needs motivations & a lot of serious one too. A true role model to inapire them to greater height.

Yet what do we have now as role models?

The underhanded tactics in politics orchestrations by racial bigotry, the unethical accumulation of national wealth mostly via rent seeking, the distorted interpretations of man-&-god relationship via arabilization.

These are the role models that the current Malay are exposed to.

So what & how can you expect the Malay will get out of these chronic umnoputras’ behaviours?

The trace of survival is in-borned within every human. This charater will demostrate itself even more in time of crisis & remains as a life-long reminder after one goes through the crisis & live on.

So its all come down to will the Malay want the easy way out or to fight for it in earnest, despite all the challenges in politics, religions & monetary temptations, along the way pushing all the obstacles & kindred ostracizations aside?

The older guards of the Malay, like you, know the fruits of success through hardworks & struggles. Unfortunatle majority of the younger generation Malay just want to have the easy way out. Thus you’ve the present scenerio in umno.

Someone asked me to re-read Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed by Jared Diamond. After several attempts, I think you guys should seriously look into this book for inspirations & factors to change the Malay’s attitudes & thinkings.

One of the chapter about the failures of the Greenland Vikings to survive, these factors ring like thunders; too Europe centre (too much into being Malay, rather than Malaysian), hollow interpretations of the Christinity believes, so much so that they’re been control by the Vatican (too much into the Arab form of Islam, rather than the true teaching of the words of God) etc etc.

Where are the younger Malay intelligensia that will lead your people out of these woods? Are they all staying out of the country while the struggling old guards shouting like crazy just as the tidak-apa-ism play its drum call to the doom march?

Please let’s move on.